Nightlife takes a deep dive into the rise of the sovereign citizen phenomenon and the messy, baseless, but vexatious use of so-called, pseudo law. 

They claim they are not bound by any laws or jurisdictions. While no court in the world has accepted the argument, the trend persists, and there are real world consequences. 

Philip Clark is joined by two legal academics who have specialised in the movement and how it is fuelling extremism, conspiracies and violence. 

Guests: Dr Harry Hobbs is an Associate Professor in the Faculty of Law and Justice at the University of New South Wales, and the Director of the Pseudo law Project at the Gilbert + Tobin Centre of Public Law. 

Dr Stephen Young is an Associate Professor at the University of Otago's Faculty of Law , author and regular commentator on pseudo law and sovereign-citizen phenomena in New Zealand.